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 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:22 pm
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But what if I liked e.g. a certain crystal -
maybe as decoration for a noted soldiers favorite gun deplacement ... . |
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Feralidragon 
UT Name: -xXx- UT Since: 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:33 pm
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| Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | | Quote: | Copyright / Permissions
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This level is copyrighted by Derdak2rot ,2004.
Authors may / may not NOT use this level as a base to build additional levels.
You are NOT allowed to commercially exploit this level, i.e. put it on a CD
or any other electronic medium that is sold for money without my explicit
permission!
You MAY distribute this level through any electronic network (internet,
FIDO, local BBS etc.), provided you include this file and leave the archive
intact.
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No word about using or not using the cannon in own levels.
And for your information - this guy has legally zero (!) copyright on any of the original EPIC stuff - modified or not.
As I already said - the so called copyright crying is just for avoiding file chaos and indecent commercial abuse. |
Want me to give you proof on how you can apply copyrights to UT stuff? Here:
- Shadow's SDK was aknowledged by Epic Games to be fully legal, although Shadow added a licence of use to his content, which makes him to have ownership over his stuff, without colliding with any of the Epic Games license of usage directives and articles.
Epic Games is the only final owner of your stuff, but anyone else isn't, and are only permitted to edit or just even play your stuff if the actual owner gives permission to do so.
Ask Wormbo, or Shadow, or any high level developer about this they will certainlly answer you, and yes, what you're doing is illegal. It would be legal ONLY IF you're from Epic Games and did it on the name of that same company.
Simply put:
- Epic games is the final owner;
- The author is the second owner.
- Anyone else has no rights and can't do a thing without being stabilished so.
- The author can't sell his stuff, Epic Games can, but can retain the ownership relative to other non-Epic Games entities.
Period.
EDIT: Btw, go to moddb.com, and you will see they treat this kind of stuff very seriouslly in a very general way. They call this stuff: intellectual property. Do this there and you will get banned before you even think about it. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:49 pm
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Be it or not - I dont fear any judicial consequences since I dont sell the stuff.
And guys who release mod stuff to satisfy pedophile desires dont come into any account ... . |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:12 pm
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| Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | | No word about using or not using the cannon in own levels. |
This is the standard ReadMe template that hasn't been modified. As to whether he's fine with someone taking the cannon or not you don't really know.
And the part about not being allowed to reuse the map is even meaningless because LandsOfNapali already reuses RTNP maps.
Terraniux > Copyright claims from the community have the sole purposes of stating who has credit for what, and what people are allowed to do without being arses. Nothing more. |
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Terraniux 
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:31 pm
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| Cyberia-Mix wrote (View Post): | | Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | | No word about using or not using the cannon in own levels. |
This is the standard ReadMe template that hasn't been modified. As to whether he's fine with someone taking the cannon or not you don't really know.
And the part about not being allowed to reuse the map is even meaningless because LandsOfNapali already reuses RTNP maps.
Terraniux > Copyright claims from the community have the sole purposes of stating who has credit for what, and what people are allowed to do without being arses. Nothing more. |
Hm.... ok. Perhaps you're right.
But then again, a true mapper makes his own original maps. |
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Feralidragon
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:44 pm
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Unbelievable... I have no words for this. 
Bye all, enjoy Kaal's ways, he will certainlly give you many stolen stuff to play (which will obviouslly shrink and loose quality), while the actual developers will be reduced to nothing more but crappy tools. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:02 pm
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| Feralidragon wrote (View Post): |
Epic Games is the only final owner of your stuff, but anyone else isn't, and are only permitted to edit or just even play your stuff if the actual owner gives permission to do so.
Ask Wormbo, or Shadow, or any high level developer about this they will certainlly answer you, and yes, what you're doing is illegal. It would be legal ONLY IF you're from Epic Games and did it on the name of that same company. |
I'd like an actual proof of that. I'm curious.
All I've ever seen is "If you take this against my will this will make me very angry!" and that's all.
How can your ownership be recognized without an actual licence and just a home made txt file saying so?
And Kaal stop talking like an idiot. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:12 pm
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| Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | | And guys who release mod stuff to satisfy pedophile desires dont come into any account ... . |
Did he just reply to Ferali like that? Wow. Totally unbelievable. KAAL you are a complete tool and I cannot for the life of me see how Bob lets you keep posting.
@ Cyberia: Spend an evening here: http://creativecommons.org/
If I release code specifically listed as CC and register it, then yes I do own it. Epic owns the compiled version as ownership is transferred to them because it was rinsed through UCC. I still however own the code itself, as well as custom textures I created, etc because I made them under CC.
Go tell Rush you are going to use his IP2Country code and you plan on obfuscating the mod. See how fast he gets legal on you.
Doubt me? I bet I can get your ISP to shut you down if you use my CC code without permission. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:40 pm
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| Creative Commons is precisely the actual licence I was referring to. How many people in the community use that? I don't. Anybody is able to get my stuff from their cache and reuse it. What proof do I have I'm the owner? And who am I going to call? |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:07 pm
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I think Ferali D was actually right.
But only for commercial unreal Engine use like for e.g. Postal2 or DeusEx.
In this term of prodúcing market able produkts but this just isnt the community sharing at all ... . |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:13 pm
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| tbh i think that regardless of the legal or 'official' copyrights etc, you just don't go stealing other peoples stuff without asking them first. |
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Terraniux
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:21 pm
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@kaal
Well you made skins/maps that you claimed to be yours.
So how do we know that it is your work, after copy/pasting things from other developers?
And what you said against feralidragon was that an insult?
I dont see the forest through the trees anymore.
Just make your own original work, ffs. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:38 pm
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No - thats just not true!
While sharing my collection packages I never put in new text and leave the files as they were.
Theres actually no reason to charge me like this except for FeraliD who follows his own plans.
And if I can save time by copying a crystal in a map - maybe ... . |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:46 pm
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| All of you don't start this here again goddamn. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:52 pm
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| Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | | And if I can save time by copying a crystal in a map - maybe ... . |
Copy a crystal from my map and your done here.
I have worked for MONTHS on my maps( and maybe other mappers too) , and you dare to copy things from (my) maps, just to save time?
You should know better, but obviously you dont. Admit it, so we can end this discussion.
And dont denie the truth  . |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:00 pm
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Well - since this is the mapping projects thread in the first line I officially allow everybody
to copy any new stuff from my maps without getting done here ... . |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:19 pm
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| Kaal979 wrote (View Post): | Well - since this is the mapping projects thread in the first line I officially allow everybody
to copy any new stuff from my maps without getting done here ... . |
LOL, first you get blamed for copying things from other maps and then you allow us to steal your stolen work.
 , I just cant stop laughing!!! |
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