2013-03-05 11:54.15 tr0y: HAHAHAHA
2013-03-05 11:54.16 Dem: deja vu
2013-03-05 11:54.23 tr0y: thats odd lol
2013-03-05 11:54.30 Dem: the bug was
2013-03-05 11:54.39 Dem: if 2 queens manage to telefrag each others
2013-03-05 11:54.43 Dem: both die
2013-03-05 11:54.50 Dem: but only 1 death is recorded
2013-03-05 11:54.56 tr0y: i c
2013-03-05 11:54.59 Dem: and that causes the counter to fail
2013-03-05 11:55.08 tr0y: that happened on wtc
2013-03-05 11:55.18 tr0y: only one death was announced
2013-03-05 11:55.25 Dem: in canyon+ too
2013-03-05 11:55.28 tr0y: but both queens have been gone
2013-03-05 11:55.32 Dem: had to remove one queen at the end
2013-03-05 11:56.11 tr0y: canyon? is that the map with the big tentacle room and gasbags after it?
2013-03-05 11:56.21 Dem: snowy canyons
2013-03-05 11:56.24 tr0y: ah
2013-03-05 11:56.24 Dem: default map
2013-03-05 11:56.43 Dem: when BW made the + version it caused the queen bug
2013-03-05 11:56.47 Dem: sometimes the map wouldn´t end
2013-03-05 11:57.09 tr0y: btw
2013-03-05 11:57.22 tr0y: ive heard there have been many troubles in my absence
2013-03-05 11:57.38 tr0y: i hope it is all over and everyone is nice to each other again
2013-03-05 11:57.43 tr0y: total waste of time
2013-03-05 11:57.44 Dem: it seems so
2013-03-05 11:58.11 Dem: i can´t really tell i´m no more staff since the website restarted
2013-03-05 11:58.28 Dem: and i wasn´t there when it was
2013-03-05 11:58.42 tr0y: i didnt want to infosniff, just wanted to give more a statement
2013-03-05 11:58.44 Dem: seems quiet right now
2013-03-05 11:59.02 tr0y: that all those useless fights ive witnessed here
2013-03-05 11:59.10 tr0y: shouldnt happen
2013-03-05 11:59.18 tr0y: or at least get reduced to a min^^
2013-03-05 11:59.25 tr0y: time waste
2013-03-05 11:59.36 tr0y: and many feelings get deeply hurt
2013-03-05 11:59.43 tr0y: that is not necessary
2013-03-05 11:59.48 tr0y: zand really not good
2013-03-05 12:00.06 Dem: i don´t come much on the server when there aren´t people i know
2013-03-05 12:00.22 Dem: maybe stuff happened i´m unaware of
2013-03-05 12:00.31 Dem: not lately though i think
2013-03-05 12:00.38 Dem: people don´t talk at all nowadays
2013-03-05 12:00.41 Dem: ata ata ata ata ata
2013-03-05 12:00.44 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:00.53 tr0y: yeah, its a bit silent here
2013-03-05 12:01.08 tr0y: sometimes it feels as if noone wants to burn his tongue^^
2013-03-05 12:01.22 tr0y: but
2013-03-05 12:01.27 tr0y: cant really tell
2013-03-05 12:01.34 tr0y: a few weeks being back#
2013-03-05 12:01.45 Dem: so what do you want to do with this map
2013-03-05 12:01.54 tr0y: fist of all
2013-03-05 12:01.58 tr0y: first*
2013-03-05 12:02.02 tr0y: using all areas
2013-03-05 12:02.08 tr0y: the outside
2013-03-05 12:02.13 tr0y: where the mantas are
2013-03-05 12:02.20 tr0y: as the first ring
2013-03-05 12:02.26 tr0y: u have to fight through
2013-03-05 12:02.35 tr0y: b4 that u cant get on
2013-03-05 12:02.46 tr0y: then it needs to be played on top too
2013-03-05 12:02.55 tr0y: on the walls and towers
2013-03-05 12:03.06 tr0y: with acces for players
2013-03-05 12:03.21 tr0y: a bit like in minas t.
2013-03-05 12:03.34 Dem: that´s a heavy change
2013-03-05 12:03.44 tr0y: yeah but
2013-03-05 12:03.52 tr0y: since ive played this map the first time
2013-03-05 12:03.55 tr0y: i was thinking
2013-03-05 12:04.09 tr0y: that it is just a first conceptual version
2013-03-05 12:04.16 tr0y: which was a try
2013-03-05 12:04.24 tr0y: and never got developped
2013-03-05 12:04.39 tr0y: gives me taht impression
2013-03-05 12:04.41 tr0y: that
2013-03-05 12:05.45 Dem: so you want to add ground all around the lake before acessing the bridge?
2013-03-05 12:05.47 tr0y: it feels like a raw model
2013-03-05 12:06.02 tr0y: yep
2013-03-05 12:06.18 tr0y: or bridges at thos parts wheere isnt ground yet
2013-03-05 12:06.36 Dem: i dunno
2013-03-05 12:06.38 tr0y: these fish shooting scoring is ridiculous
2013-03-05 12:06.51 Dem: in such cases i think it´s better to create a remake from scratch
2013-03-05 12:06.55 tr0y: they should be replaced by more aggressive mosnters
2013-03-05 12:07.06 tr0y: that i dunno
2013-03-05 12:07.19 tr0y: looked into editor only a few tiimes
2013-03-05 12:07.30 tr0y: i have no clue how to map, so far^^
2013-03-05 12:07.31 Dem: when you change so many things it´s not quite the same map then
2013-03-05 12:07.40 tr0y: but
2013-03-05 12:07.52 tr0y: its forthcoming the your credo
2013-03-05 12:08.06 tr0y: "expanding the universes"
2013-03-05 12:08.10 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:08.27 Dem: in this case
2013-03-05 12:08.35 Dem: that would be making another great castle themed map
2013-03-05 12:08.46 Dem: rather than modifying the existing one
2013-03-05 12:08.51 tr0y: hm
2013-03-05 12:09.03 Dem: i told that to terra
2013-03-05 12:09.14 Dem: it´s pretty much what he does with crystal mine 1 2 3
2013-03-05 12:09.14 tr0y: well, i switched to raw chocolate too^^
2013-03-05 12:09.22 Dem: could be different areas of the same place
2013-03-05 12:09.43 tr0y: yes
2013-03-05 12:09.46 tr0y: but
2013-03-05 12:09.50 tr0y: wasnt that intended
2013-03-05 12:09.56 tr0y: by hm?
2013-03-05 12:10.00 Dem: not really afaik
2013-03-05 12:10.02 tr0y: feels like it
2013-03-05 12:10.10 Dem: they´re more like remakes each time
2013-03-05 12:10.24 Dem: also from a work time point of view
2013-03-05 12:10.35 Dem: editing the lake isn´t easy
2013-03-05 12:10.41 tr0y: i c
2013-03-05 12:10.51 Dem: terrain is basically a grid
2013-03-05 12:10.58 Dem: once it´s built you can´t add or remove tiles
2013-03-05 12:11.04 tr0y: oh
2013-03-05 12:11.05 tr0y: ok
2013-03-05 12:11.10 tr0y: didnt know that
2013-03-05 12:11.27 Dem: you may move them around but the mesh stays the same
2013-03-05 12:12.08 Dem: okay
2013-03-05 12:12.12 Dem: that came out of nowhere
2013-03-05 12:12.18 Dem: oh yeah
2013-03-05 12:12.19 tr0y: 2nd time^^
2013-03-05 12:12.22 Dem: he´s so big i don´t see him
2013-03-05 12:12.28 tr0y: ERM
2013-03-05 12:12.31 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:12.42 tr0y: rofl
2013-03-05 12:13.08 tr0y: LOL
2013-03-05 12:13.19 tr0y: hahahaha
2013-03-05 12:13.31 Dem: i want to push him in the lake
2013-03-05 12:14.03 Dem: anyway i think your idea is interesting
2013-03-05 12:14.26 Dem: i could consider doing that if the mapper was unknown
2013-03-05 12:14.36 tr0y: yea, but
2013-03-05 12:14.36 Dem: but i know cardiologist doesn´t like his work touched
2013-03-05 12:14.51 Dem: and even though he´s not around anymore i´d rather respect that
2013-03-05 12:15.08 tr0y: i dont want to get a bad feeling, making you wroking at maps^^
2013-03-05 12:15.18 tr0y: ud better do different thin gs^^
2013-03-05 12:15.28 tr0y: like starting to work^^
2013-03-05 12:15.33 Dem: it´s enlightening to see what other people come up with
2013-03-05 12:15.39 tr0y: sure
2013-03-05 12:15.41 tr0y: but
2013-03-05 12:15.42 Dem: things you don´t think of by yourself
2013-03-05 12:15.55 tr0y: we need communication in the real world^^
2013-03-05 12:16.02 Dem: i never really thought about using the walls and towers for example
2013-03-05 12:16.05 tr0y: to save the rest of the living planet^^
2013-03-05 12:16.29 Dem: but i share the point of view
2013-03-05 12:16.50 Dem: i like when everything in view can somehow be used for gameplay
2013-03-05 12:17.16 tr0y: i guess
2013-03-05 12:17.19 tr0y: if
2013-03-05 12:17.26 tr0y: you dont count time and effort
2013-03-05 12:17.44 tr0y: every existing map could get interesting by chnging monsters
2013-03-05 12:17.58 tr0y: and just adding a few other objects
2013-03-05 12:18.29 Dem: i thought of that but my stand is that at this point
2013-03-05 12:18.38 Dem: wat is really needed first is a new engine
2013-03-05 12:18.48 tr0y: u think so?
2013-03-05 12:18.50 Dem: to fix players and monsters bugs for a start
2013-03-05 12:18.59 tr0y: ok, but
2013-03-05 12:19.16 tr0y: ive still never experienced any similiar feeling in any game
2013-03-05 12:19.25 tr0y: than in this UT version
2013-03-05 12:19.34 tr0y: its the most realistic feeling imho
2013-03-05 12:20.02 tr0y: the first times ive played it i really thought making a somersault lol
2013-03-05 12:20.16 tr0y: my muscles have been pretriggered
2013-03-05 12:20.23 tr0y: i realized that
2013-03-05 12:20.30 tr0y: when i did sports in summer
2013-03-05 12:20.36 tr0y: after playing a lot UT
2013-03-05 12:20.46 tr0y: my refelxes have been way sharper
2013-03-05 12:20.52 Dem: i think when this game came out it accomplished better than the next UTs
2013-03-05 12:20.55 Dem: respectively to their time
2013-03-05 12:21.08 tr0y: well spoken
2013-03-05 12:21.09 Dem: but that said it should remain possible for a newer engine to reiterate the same
2013-03-05 12:21.22 tr0y: well spoken
2013-03-05 12:21.27 tr0y: nothing to add^^
2013-03-05 12:22.01 tr0y: thats why i still think that it could get a very good commercial success
2013-03-05 12:22.16 tr0y: if you would work on an similiar ebngine
2013-03-05 12:22.22 tr0y: engine*
2013-03-05 12:22.27 tr0y: based on UT 99
2013-03-05 12:22.33 Dem: i agree that a modern MH might no be as good as this one because of secondary issues like universe, soundtrack
2013-03-05 12:22.40 Dem: they´re unrelated to the engine but affect players
2013-03-05 12:22.44 Dem: but you can´t help that lol
2013-03-05 12:22.48 tr0y: ^^
2013-03-05 12:23.17 tr0y: now that windows 7 and my 6core are going so well with UT00
2013-03-05 12:23.27 tr0y: i believe a lot could be possible
2013-03-05 12:23.35 tr0y: UTßß
2013-03-05 12:23.37 tr0y: LOL
2013-03-05 12:23.43 tr0y: damn black kb
2013-03-05 12:26.11 tr0y: let me predict what happens next
2013-03-05 12:26.16 Dem: ?
2013-03-05 12:26.32 Dem: jej hunting fishes you mean
2013-03-05 12:26.33 tr0y: jej64 will type °!V°
2013-03-05 12:26.42 Dem: anyway
2013-03-05 12:27.05 Dem: i try to work hard so that each new map can bring something new to the game
2013-03-05 12:27.11 Dem: that´s why i´m so slow making progress
2013-03-05 12:27.27 tr0y: you dont have to feel pressure
2013-03-05 12:27.47 tr0y: you are thinking of and trying to make quality
2013-03-05 12:27.53 tr0y: quality takes time
2013-03-05 12:28.00 tr0y: thats the way it is
2013-03-05 12:28.11 Dem: lol buggy redeemer
2013-03-05 12:28.41 Dem: i try to make things that i can like
2013-03-05 12:28.51 Dem: when stuff doesn´t please me enough i rework it
2013-03-05 12:28.55 Dem: and that can take a very long time
2013-03-05 12:29.07 tr0y: thats how i act in life too
2013-03-05 12:29.16 tr0y: sometimes that gives me nonour
2013-03-05 12:29.23 tr0y: honour
2013-03-05 12:29.37 tr0y: sometmes it outsides me
2013-03-05 12:29.45 tr0y: thats how it is
2013-03-05 12:30.02 Dem: i try to keep in mind that players may care about different stuff
2013-03-05 12:30.15 Dem: but still i can´t get myself to release something i feel to be meh
2013-03-05 12:30.17 tr0y: its like it is with the books by hesse
2013-03-05 12:30.37 tr0y: hesse is worldselling not because of an advertising propaganda machine
2013-03-05 12:30.49 tr0y: but because of the content
2013-03-05 12:31.04 tr0y: quality isnt always recognized at first sight
2013-03-05 12:31.11 tr0y: but it WILL be recognitzed
2013-03-05 12:31.26 tr0y: maybe not in ur life time though lol
2013-03-05 12:32.08 tr0y: every work which expands the distinguishing process
2013-03-05 12:32.17 tr0y: is a developpement in mind
2013-03-05 12:32.40 tr0y: and adds abilities which work in other fields too
2013-03-05 12:33.04 tr0y: in the basic meaning that is the essence of real science
2013-03-05 12:33.25 tr0y: are we still talking or should i get my talking mirror ?
2013-03-05 12:33.39 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:33.52 Dem: on paper
2013-03-05 12:34.02 tr0y: on papaer?
2013-03-05 12:34.19 Dem: the point of science
2013-03-05 12:34.47 tr0y: the hanging diddledies of your avatar still are irritatating
2013-03-05 12:34.56 tr0y: especailly when it chats
2013-03-05 12:34.56 Dem: ?
2013-03-05 12:35.02 tr0y: the boobs lol
2013-03-05 12:35.25 pLaYeR^: perfect map bonus NP!
2013-03-05 12:35.27 Dem: i can´t seem them as much as i´d like to
2013-03-05 12:35.31 Dem: see*
2013-03-05 12:35.34 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:35.52 Dem: well laters
2013-03-05 12:35.56 Dem: cya
2013-03-05 12:35.58 tr0y: cu^^
2013-03-05 12:35.59 Dem: !poof
2013-03-05 12:36.05 Kawa->cecksum: so?
2013-03-05 12:36.16 tr0y: !poof poof
2013-03-05 12:36.22 tr0y: !poof^^
2013-03-05 12:36.25 Kawa->cecksum: now suicide
2013-03-05 12:36.25 tr0y: lol
2013-03-05 12:36.29 tr0y: !poof
2013-03-05 12:36.39 tr0y: !poof
2013-03-05 12:36.43 Kawa->cecksum: >.<